[Experienced]

Fery to je cel projekt

[Fery]

Vidim, ja. Zato sem se priključil.
Pa ne more taka zadeva brez mene!

[BrunoMars]

Fery a ti se vkljucis v debato samo da tezis? Daj raje kaksen nasvet. Sem sel v dve trgovini in v obeh so me prepricevali da to ne obstaja. Da ne bos izpadel tak cencar pa povej kje dobim ta izdelek na obmocju most, btc ali vica.

Hvala

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[BrunoMars]

Lokalni trgovec ima taksno resitev zal je precej okorna[img]httpsunichr("58")//uploadsunichr("46")tapatalk-cdnunichr("46")com/20190515/51afc7fbd67316b2412ba6cd03c804b7unichr("46")jpg[/img]

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[Fery]

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Pokliči pa naj ti pošljejo.

[arbajter]

Uff, gugl, copypaste...nekaj, kar se drugim očita...

[Fery]

E? Če so ljudje funkcionalno nepismeni, jim je stvari treba prinesti na pladnju.

Je pa malo je razlike med mojimi zapisi

https://www.instal.si/index.php?id=4853&c=567

Pokliči pa naj ti pošljejo.

in arbajterjevimi (ki optimistično misli, da ljudje to preberejo, kaj šele, da kaj od tega odnesejo)

Uff, gugl, copypaste...nekaj, kar se drugim očita...
Most of its text is made up from sections 1.10.32–3 of Cicero's De finibus bonorum et malorum (On the Boundaries of Goods and Evils; finibus may also be translated as purposes). Neque porro quisquam est qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit is the first known version ("Neither is there anyone who loves grief itself since it is grief and thus wants to obtain it"). It was found by Richard McClintock, a philologist, director of publications at Hampden-Sydney College in Virginia; he searched for citings of consectetur in classical Latin literature, a term of remarkably low frequency in that literary corpus.

Cicero famously orated against his political opponent Lucius Sergius Catilina. Occasionally the first Oration against Catiline is taken for type specimens: Quo usque tandem abutere, Catilina, patientia nostra? Quam diu etiam furor iste tuus nos eludet? (How long, O Catiline, will you abuse our patience? And for how long will that madness of yours mock us?)

Cicero's version of Liber Primus (first Book), sections 1.10.32–3 (fragments included in most Lorem Ipsum variants in red):

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Or else, an alternative route: set checkpoints, networks, processes, junctions between content and layout. Depending on the state of affairs it may be fine to concentrate either on design or content, reversing gears when needed.

Or maybe not. How about this: build in appropriate intersections and checkpoints between design and content. Accept that it’s sometimes okay to focus just on the content or just on the design.

Luke Wroblewski, currently a Product Director at Google, holds that fake data can break down in real life:

Using dummy content or fake information in the Web design process can result in products with unrealistic assumptions and potentially serious design flaws. A seemingly elegant design can quickly begin to bloat with unexpected content or break under the weight of actual activity. Fake data can ensure a nice looking layout but it doesn’t reflect what a living, breathing application must endure. Real data does.
Websites in professional use templating systems. Commercial publishing platforms and content management systems ensure that you can show different text, different data using the same template. When it's about controlling hundreds of articles, product pages for web shops, or user profiles in social networks, all of them potentially with different sizes, formats, rules for differing elements things can break, designs agreed upon can have unintended consequences and look much different than expected.

This is quite a problem to solve, but just doing without greeking text won't fix it. Using test items of real content and data in designs will help, but there's no guarantee that every oddity will be found and corrected. Do you want to be sure? Then a prototype or beta site with real content published from the real CMS is needed—but you’re not going that far until you go through an initial design cycle.

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Kyle Fiedler from the Design Informer feels that distracting copy is your fault:

If the copy becomes distracting in the design then you are doing something wrong or they are discussing copy changes. It might be a bit annoying but you could tell them that that discussion would be best suited for another time. At worst the discussion is at least working towards the final goal of your site where questions about lorem ipsum don’t.
If that's what you think how bout the other way around? How can you evaluate content without design? No typography, no colors, no layout, no styles, all those things that convey the important signals that go beyond the mere textual, hierarchies of information, weight, emphasis, oblique stresses, priorities, all those subtle cues that also have visual and emotional appeal to the reader. Rigid proponents of content strategy may shun the use of dummy copy but then designers might want to ask them to provide style sheets with the copy decks they supply that are in tune with the design direction they require.

Or else, an alternative route: set checkpoints, networks, processes, junctions between content and layout. Depending on the state of affairs it may be fine to concentrate either on design or content, reversing gears when needed.

Or maybe not. How about this: build in appropriate intersections and checkpoints between design and content. Accept that it’s sometimes okay to focus just on the content or just on the design.

Luke Wroblewski, currently a Product Director at Google, holds that fake data can break down in real life:

Using dummy content or fake information in the Web design process can result in products with unrealistic assumptions and potentially serious design flaws. A seemingly elegant design can quickly begin to bloat with unexpected content or break under the weight of actual activity. Fake data can ensure a nice looking layout but it doesn’t reflect what a living, breathing application must endure. Real data does.
Websites in professional use templating systems. Commercial publishing platforms and content management systems ensure that you can show different text, different data using the same template. When it's about controlling hundreds of articles, product pages for web shops, or user profiles in social networks, all of them potentially with different sizes, formats, rules for differing elements things can break, designs agreed upon can have unintended consequences and look much different than expected.

This is quite a problem to solve, but just doing without greeking text won't fix it. Using test items of real content and data in designs will help, but there's no guarantee that every oddity will be found and corrected. Do you want to be sure? Then a prototype or beta site with real content published from the real CMS is needed—but you’re not going that far until you go through an initial design cycle.

Lorem Ipsum actually is usefull in the design stage as it focuses our attention on places where the content is a dynamic block coming from the CMS (unlike static content elements that will always stay the same.) Blocks of Lorem Ipsum with a character count range provide a obvious reminder to check and re-check that the design and the content model match up.

Kyle Fiedler from the Design Informer feels that distracting copy is your fault:

If the copy becomes distracting in the design then you are doing something wrong or they are discussing copy changes. It might be a bit annoying but you could tell them that that discussion would be best suited for another time. At worst the discussion is at least working towards the final goal of your site where questions about lorem ipsum don’t.If that's what you think how bout the other way around? How can you evaluate content without design? No typography, no colors, no layout, no styles, all those things that convey the important signals that go beyond the mere textual, hierarchies of information, weight, emphasis, oblique stresses, priorities, all those subtle cues that also have visual and emotional appeal to the reader. Rigid proponents of content strategy may shun the use of dummy copy but then designers might want to ask them to provide style sheets with the copy decks they supply that are in tune with the design direction they require.

Or else, an alternative route: set checkpoints, networks, processes, junctions between content and layout. Depending on the state of affairs it may be fine to concentrate either on design or content, reversing gears when needed.

Or maybe not. How about this: build in appropriate intersections and checkpoints between design and content. Accept that it’s sometimes okay to focus just on the content or just on the design.

Luke Wroblewski, currently a Product Director at Google, holds that fake data can break down in real life:

Using dummy content or fake information in the Web design process can result in products with unrealistic assumptions and potentially serious design flaws. A seemingly elegant design can quickly begin to bloat with unexpected content or break under the weight of actual activity. Fake data can ensure a nice looking layout but it doesn’t reflect what a living, breathing application must endure. Real data does.
Websites in professional use templating systems. Commercial publishing platforms and content management systems ensure that you can show different text, different data using the same template. When it's about controlling hundreds of articles, product pages for web shops, or user profiles in social networks, all of them potentially with different sizes, formats, rules for differing elements things can break, designs agreed upon can have unintended consequences and look much different than expected.

This is quite a problem to solve, but just doing without greeking text won't fix it. Using test items of real content and data in designs will help, but there's no guarantee that every oddity will be found and corrected. Do you want to be sure? Then a prototype or beta site with real content published from the real CMS is needed—but you’re not going that far until you go through an initial design cycle.

Lorem Ipsum actually is usefull in the design stage as it focuses our attention on places where the content is a dynamic block coming from the CMS (unlike static content elements that will always stay the same.) Blocks of Lorem Ipsum with a character count range provide a obvious reminder to check and re-check that the design and the content model match up.

Kyle Fiedler from the Design Informer feels that distracting copy is your fault:

If the copy becomes distracting in the design then you are doing something wrong or they are discussing copy changes. It might be a bit annoying but you could tell them that that discussion would be best suited for another time. At worst the discussion is at least working towards the final goal of your site where questions about lorem ipsum don’t.

[arbajter]

Jaz nebi bil tako slepo zaverovan vase...in seveda berejo le vsepametnega Feryja Od tebe niti nimajo kaj odnesti. Čisto resno.
Da se ne boš razpočil nekega dne...

[Fery]

Pravzaprav bom zlezel vase. Letos sem že za 13 kg. Še malo, pa me ne bo.
Nikakor ti ne rata zadeti pravo smer.

O tem, kdo se bo razpočil, pa ne bova, a ne?

[arbajter]

Veš kaj bi se zgodilo? En jezik bo manj.
Za smer ne skrbi.
Tako je. Hvala bogu.

[arbajter]

Za kile , ko si že namignil, hvala za pridigo: pri svojih 100+ pa sedmem desetletju imam cukr, pritisk, holesterol vse kot pol stoletja nazaj. BP. Pa ti? Moraš res malo pazit nase, da te hudič ne vzame. Ne smeš bit tko zagrenjen, črnogled, človek.

[BrunoMars]

Evo ga. Sedaj se je pojavil nov problem. Prijatelj ki ima klesce pravi, da mora biti cev vsaj 5 cm dolga da pride s celjustjo do konektorja. Moja cev gleda priblizno 3cm iz zida. Ali te rocne klesce zahtevajo manj prostora?[img]httpsunichr("58")//uploadsunichr("46")tapatalk-cdnunichr("46")com/20190516/34764619cf5fc62234d26c079a887ee4unichr("46")jpg[/img]

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[simek]

Za kile , ko si že namignil, hvala za pridigo: pri svojih 100+ pa sedmem desetletju imam cukr, pritisk, holesterol vse kot pol stoletja nazaj. BP. Pa ti? Moraš res malo pazit nase, da te hudič ne vzame. Ne smeš bit tko zagrenjen, črnogled, človek.

Pismo, pa ti boš "večen"! hock:
Nimam 7 križev, pa me "jebe" vse zgoraj našteto, z izjemo cukra! Pa sem "ziher", da tudi to "pride"! :wink:

[susa]

ker maš tak velik problem bi lahko stroj dvignil nad ventil ( spodaj narediš neko omarico, tid..) in bo stroj dvignjen od tal in se ne bo treba priklanjat za nalaganje v stroj.???

[BrunoMars]

To je resitev za pralni stroj. Kaj pa susilec? Bo malo pod stropom potem...

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